Notes by Federico Bonelli: Dialogues on Digital: Deep Dive with David Li and David Cuarteilles

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Notes by Federico Bonelli: Dialogues on Digital: Deep Dive with David Li and David Cuarteilles
31/12/2020 – 21:01

Dialogues on Digital: Deep Dive with David Li

ROB: What is the status, the context -of the Chinese/maker movement?
DAVID: I got into MM around 2008 and discovered arduino and slowly over time I started from there. Everything was kicked out from my house from my wife and i set up a maker space. In Chinese is “new factory” like new work units. Cutrious artists, academics gathered there.
Main question: maker free spirit where does it bring. Idea of individual empowerment through creativity, how can this impact the monolitic chinese industrial ecosystem. I believe that some of these characteristics are intrinsic in chinese way to do industry but on a larger scheale. That is when I went to Shenzen. S. is founded on same freedom: open hardware open source (in a different sense).

ROB: How did you get to the idea of a open innovation lab?
D: We spotted this innovation based on open access with huge cooperation and we got a grant from Shenzen gov and we became able to do research and take it out from Shenzen only, hosting events with the aim of engagement, and third we tried to help out entrepreneurs on how to look out for this ecosystem.
No one makes anything from scratch, there is a lot of both competition and cooperation. Hardware is entrepreneurship: to sell there is a fine distinction between attitudes. Open access cooperation is in all different areas including remote villages.What and how is the system open? How does it react to events? This year has been rich of events. Covid posed the problem of mass creation of protection. Shenzen is a place to make the machines to make the masks. In beginning 16M masks a day. Today is 300M a day, supplying many cultures. This sets a sort of management way: how can we collaborate in different areas.

ROB: Question for David Quartielles. What is the parallel with Arduino. 
DC: For Arduino we started froma non business type of context. We were interest in “metause“. It happened but was not foreseen. We magically filled in into a “need” that was recognised afterwards. As well the turnover was very small for many years.
Shenzen has a entirely different point of departure. Some of the possibilities that Shenzen have offered are very peculiar. Small scale to big scale manufacturing ecosystems have been studied. Thinking into manifacure included the possible ways to scale up from the beginning. Touching and feeling is a must to learn and is difficult to have in any place of eu now, were you have to buy and wait instead of getting into an actual workshop
ROB: Messy place and industrial 4.0. Were is and how works the “middle ground” in EU? It exists? What kind of idea you envision. 
DC: IoT is just becoming these days, not anymore an object of conversation but a practice.  Reality was clashing with the technology. Es. wiring/wireless. A lot of things were not possible. Nowadays to build in the ecosystem you need much more people… 
ROB (to DavidC): What about the edge? What will this trend imply?
DC: one of the biggest challenge is maintenance of the platform, from hardware to phone software etc.  There are a lot of pieces, devices, servers, etc. The way to build is to go to a provider of services on a service that is not in your hands. If you want to build independent is harder and harder to do it. Think about phisical resilience to attacks. Small or mid size producer, is not a lie, but rely on this dialogue with bigger players. Platform are self contain. Es Bluemix (IBM). You design the flow but you depend on a programmable interface. The problem started there for medium and small producer. In Shenzen you don’t. We depend to the US for the data centers. We get cloud from US and Hardware from C. I strongly advocate Eu to get to a resilience by investing into infrastructure.
ROB: it was partially the scope of NGI. So we need to embed this into infrastructure. 
David C. The growth of cloud services has been tremendous, we would have a lot of money to reinvest. We are giving our edu money to third parties. I am against by limiting policies, but we should encourage people to embrace a different entrepreneurship model. Rethink how we understand the way we build these systems.
Question: How to integrate MC in the structure of the schooling system?
David C; we tried and reached thousend of schools. We tried to work only with public school having a private institution to sponsor its cost. Has to be thought through with regional adaptation. In Spain we had a favorable mindset for this. When there is money try to use it wisely

Notes by
Federico Bonelli
general coordinator

Trasformatorio Foundation

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